it's complicated: the truth about exes, situationships + why "too much" is a lie w philippa found

this week i'm sitting down with Philippa Found, author of It's Complicated: Collected Confessions of Messy Modern Love - a collection of 250 anonymous stories pulled from over 1,500 submissions. we get into why so many of us secretly still think about an ex, the "too much" lie we've been sold, the shame that comes with being single, and whether AI belongs anywhere near our love lives.

a quick note before you watch- my video quality on this one was rough. my audio is a little lagged and doesn't quite match up, but Philippa's side is totally fine, so bear with me! this episode is best listened to as to not experience any of those disruptions <3

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Transcript

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Welcome back to the Self Love Archives podcast. I'm your host, Julia Salvia, your self-love bestie, and we have a special episode today because I am chatting with the author of It's Complicated, Philippa Found. This is a book of collected confessions of messy modern love, and I cannot wait for you to hear this conversation with her. So get ready, stay tuned, and keep watching and keep listening if you wanna hear all about it. So I am so excited to introduce all of you to Philippa Found,

the author of It's Complicated: 0:42

Collected Confessions of Messy Modern Love. There's over 200… Look it, we both have our copies right here. And I love the colors of this. I already said that is what draw me, drew me to the book in the first place. It's such a beautiful book, and it's filled with 250 stories about- Yep … complicated love, like confessions. Please tell me everything. How, how did you get your hands on 250 stories of everyone's relationships? Well, um, it started back in lockdown. So it was, like, 2020, spring 2020, and, um, I built a website. I just thought, "This time is crazy," right? I mean, like, it was just such a massive shift, and I just thought the, like, impact it's gonna have on people's relationships, whether they're single or dating or in a long-term relationship, whatever, is gonna be, like, massive. And I was just fascinated. Um, and I thought- Like, what is actually going on, and do people have an outlet for this? Because we were separated from our friends and family. And, um, it seemed like this time, to me, where it was, it was like the perfect storm for being kind of stuck in the continuous s- scroll of, like, online and social media, but also disconnected from, like, those real intimate, um, y- you know, encounters with people you actually know and love, where you can share. Yeah. Um, so I built this website called… It was called lockdownlovestories.com, um, and invited people to… Well, I say invited people. Um, what I did was every day on my, like, daily walk in lockdown, I'd go out with my daughter's, um, chalks, and I'd chalk the website URL through parks in London. And, um- Oh … yeah, so people would g- just, like, go on their walks every day and see this, like, www.lockdownlovestories.com and be like, "What the hell is this?" And, um, you'd, like, land on this webpage, and it basically just said, "What's going on in your love life?" Like,"Share it with me." And, um, it allowed you to submit completely anonymously, and then the stories would land in my inbox, and I'd upload them onto the website, and then also brought them onto Instagram. And the response from, um, people following the project was just incredible. Like, a real community built up around the project, and just a really kind of supportive, like, "Whoa, this is me. This is so relatable. This could be my life," which really encouraged other people to share. And so in, in the course of the project, um, I actually gathered 1,500 stories. And it's just- Wow … we couldn't make the book thick enough to fit them all in, so there's 250 here. And, um, they take you through every aspect of relationships. I, I arranged the book, I curated it, like, um, through relationship statuses. So it starts with a chapter on exes, and then being single, um, hooking up, dating, um, situationships, which is called it's complicated, um, friends and family, in a relationship, and breakups. So it takes you through the whole spectrum. And, um, yeah, that's how I gathered all these, these anonymous stories from, like, everyday normal people like you and I. Yeah. And it takes out the shame of, I think, the animi- a- anoni- animinity. Uh, this is one word I cannot say. Mm-hmm. But it, leaving it, like, anonymous for anyone to share their story really takes out the shame of, you know, allowing them to share without the shame, but, and to be vulnerable without someone kind of tying the story to their person, essentially. Totally. But I- I was gonna say, like, I bet you the minute they saw the responses to their own story, they were like,"Oh my gosh. Wow." Like- Well, that's what other kind of- … there's other people. Yeah. Um, and I was nervous at first when I brought it over to Instagram, 'cause obviously you're then opening it up to people's comments. Yes. And the one thing that I was really conscious of was that the entire pro- the, the entire purpose of the project was, like, no shaming. It was, you know, it was the antithesis of that. Um, and so, you know, I was nervous, like, what if people start writing really shaming things about these stories? I didn't want anything to inhibit people feeling able to share their stories. Um, but luckily the community just got it. They totally respected it, and really just did not get comments like that at all. Um, and yeah, I think the anonymity thing was absolutely key. Like, there's just no way I wouldn't have got the stories that I got if you'd had to put your name to it, and that was the point. Like, I, I wanted to create something that was essentially the antithesis to social media, where you're putting, like, visuals and your name to it, and actually be like, "Okay, but that's just one story. What's, what's the other story? What are we not actually talking about, but what's really going on?" And that was what I was really, um, kind of surprised but proud of, I guess, that people immediately started sending me, not just the happy love stories, 'cause I was kind of expecting those. Like, "Oh, I've just met this guy," or whatever. Yeah. Um, but actually just getting down to the real stuff that we, the more complicated stuff that we don't openly talk about, and that's where I think the real value is, because you get to, you get to bear witness to these stories that you otherwise wouldn't have access to, and better understand what relationships are really like. And I found it incredible, that experience. No, it for sure is so, so incredible the amount of vulnerability that it takes to just share your story. And if, if being anonymous allows for that opening for you to do that as a, as a person to help yourself, but to also, um, I guess simultaneously help others is such an amazing thing. And as someone who's been on social media for a long time, it's, it's so, so great to hear that people did get it, and there wasn't shaming in the, in the comments or response to these- Yeah … vulnerable stories. Um, yeah, I was basically, I was kind of thinking, how do I create something as, like, an artist? Um, because for me it started as an artwork essentially. Like, the website was the work of art. Like, people's submissions were, like, their little kind of anonymous portraits, and I was kind of gr- building this portrait of what our love lives are really like in this moment in time. And for me, I was thinking, like, I have been able to go to therapy, and that's, like, a real privilege. And the benefit of therapy is not just that unburdening, but I guess when I'd say stuff that I thought was, like, really unique to me, my therapist would sometimes be like, "Yeah, actually, you know, I'm s- you'd be surprised how many times people say that to me." And I'd be like, "Really?" And it was that that actually I found much more comfort in, was like, "Oh, wait, so it's not just me." And so that's what I was trying to replicate in the project, this idea of this Me Too, essentially. Because there's one thing to be able to share your story, but it's the recognition of yourself in others, the Me Too, the knowing it's not just you, which is actually what counters shame. And so that's where the real kind of value comes in, I think. No, definitely, 100%. I think there was, there's so much value in, in that, and so much value in, especially if they, if someone doesn't have the, the privilege to be able to talk to someone, whether it's a therapist, a friend, family member, anyone, this gave them the outlet to do exactly that. And in return, hope- hopefully find some solace in a story that might, may be challenging or might be, might have been hard for them to go through. And that was, what was really nice is that even though it, um, its roots were entirely anonymous, often what would happen was I would post the story on Instagram, and then the person would, like, slide into my DMs and out themselves, and be like,"That's my story." And that was, like, so great, because then I got to actually connect with the submitter and hear their experience of sharing. And it was just, it was so validating, I think so encouraging. Like, as an artist, you're often at a disconnect from how your work lands. Um, and so to actually be able to have, like, these real people, like, coming into my inbox and being like, "Sharing it has really helped me, and thank you so much," it was just, like, it was, it was incredible. Like, the community around it just really sort of kept me going and believing in the project for so long that it, you know, it still exists today. Um… Yeah. I, I, I think that's so incredible, and so, so true. Now, in regards to shame- Yes… I know there was a where, a point where you talked about the seven relationship shames. Without kind of giving too much away- I don't want you g- I don't want you to give all the juicy stuff away. No. What… Can you speak to maybe one of them that maybe came up as you were putting together all of these submissions, and something that you were just so incredibly surprised at how many people felt maybe shame in this way? Um, I'll give you two, because then you can pick the one you wanna kinda roll with. Okay. Um, uh, one of the ones was that, um, we often-- people don't get over exes. Like, we don't move on. Um, I think I had this perception that everyone was, like, blocking, deleting, and moving on in, like, a timely manner, um, whatever that time was. And, um, and, you know, people were just nailing it, like, moving on, living their best life. And actually, what the stories revealed is that, um, often that is actually not the case, and it's, like, incredibly common for people to be, like, decades on still thinking about an ex. Um, and the other thing, the other theme that-- an- another theme that came up, um, was this idea of, um, being single but wanting to be in a relationship, and almost feeling shamed by the toxic positivity that's out about, um, self-love, and just, "Oh, you just need- Oh to love yourself harder." That in some way, that if you were single but wanted to be in a relationship, you were failing to love yourself enough. And I found that so fascinating, that there's been this cultural switch that, um- Yes… you know, that, yeah, that, of turned on you in a way, um, and that it was your fault if you wanted something you didn't have, in a way. You just need to love yourself more. Do more work on yourself. And you know what's interesting is as you say that, like, I've actually seen a lot online now too where you're being shamed the opposite way, being, shamed for being in a relationship because o- of self-love. Like, you don't love yourself enough if you're in a relationship. It's kind of like both sides when I, I truly believe at the core you don't need to love yourself in, in totality. I also don't believe that self-love is a destination. It's something you constantly choose to do for yourself. But you don't need to love yourself to be in re- be in a relationship or have relationships, but you need to have resp- self-respect and have self-love for yourself to know your worth and know what you deserve. Yeah. But I don't think that you can't have one and not the other. It's actually, it's just- And it's weird that people would shame you for that. Yeah. And I think it was a particular mo- I do think the pendulum has swung now, um, as you're saying- Yeah … to this way, you know, that is having a boyfriend embarrassing, where it's actually seen- Yes. as like kind of, you know, a sign of strength to be single, and it's like, "Oh, yeah, you go, you know, you don't need these terrible men." Um, but I think at the particular moment, um, or at least y- what I was picking up on was that, and because we al- because so many men are awful and because dating- Mm-hmm … and, like, dating apps are so terrible, the, the kind of still desire to engage in that and want to find someone, if single, um, was almost being met w- as that's a weakness. And, um, it, you know, it's almost like this kind of … I, I felt a lot of single people were feeling misunderstood and shut down in a way, um, that it was just, "Oh, you'll find someone," or, you know, "Oh, you just need to love yourself more or do some work on yourself." And it's like that, but that toxic positivity that is, is dismissive and, um, invalidating and y- was a real source of pain and shame for people. Um, and that was interesting to me, I guess. Yeah, that's definitely so interesting. And it makes me, it makes my heart hurt a little. I'm like, "No, don't feel like that. That's not true." Um, now I, I think that we all think that… I, I know from experience too that we all think that we are too much. Yes. And I, I think that we all think that we're either, um, not good enough or we're too much for someone. What's kind of your take on that? I think a lot of my listeners are, are kind of on either side of the spectrum or, or feel both ways, where they're either too much for someone or they're not enough, and they either feel that way in a relationship with someone, or they feel that just existing. So I'm someone who definitely thought they were too much, and probably was told a lot that I'm t- I'm too much. Um, and I think that's, like, both culturally as well as, like, you know, personally. But, um, I… The book changed my entire… Or, you know, the, the submissions changed my entire perspective on that. Like, and that's probably, like, the best gift it's given me, really. Um, I've just come to realize that too much is the biggest lie we've ever been sold to oppress us- us. Mm. I think it is a lie that serves patriarchy, and it oppresses women's experience, and, um, it enables bad behavior. Because then if we speak out about it, we're the ones that are, like, too much. Um, so I just radically believe in being too much now as a kind of- I love it … response. You know? Because I think- I'm gonna say that now from now on too. If there's ever a moment where I think I'm being too much, I radically believe that I need- Yeah … to be too much. Yeah. That's all that there is. 100%. I just think it's been a way to silence women's stories and women's completely- Yes… normal experiences for so long, and it's worked so well. And, um, yeah, the biggest, um… Yeah, it was just, like, the biggest reveal to me was, like, oh, no, you don't, you're not too much. You're just feeling. You're just human. You're just real, you know? Um- Yeah… so I hope other people get I hope so, too. I, and this kind of connects back to, I know that recently, or as the book was coming out, you were going through a divorce. Yes. Yes. Um- Now- Yeah, I still am. You still are. Well- I still- How, how is like s- sitting with these 1,500 stories from other people helped you be kinder to yourself through going through a divorce? Well, I, it was, um, absolutely that kind of self-acceptance, I guess. Um, the idea that I used to think, uh… I guess I used to not trust my feelings in a way, um, because I thought- Mm that they were the thing that was wrong. You know, they were the things that are too much, and, um, you know, the problem was me. Um, whereas now I have learned that feelings are act- are just, they're just, they're normal. They're feelings, and they're a guide. And, um, you actually do really well to listen to them. And I just think it is that kind of radical acceptance, um, that whatever you're going through, someone else is going through it as well. Other people have gone through it. Mm. They're currently going through it. Um, and it, it's just so reassuring because it shows you it's not just you. There is not something weird and fundamentally wrong with you or how you feel or how you think or how you behave. Um, and that, like normalizing it, is incredibly therapeutic in a way, and just very freeing I think. Um, yeah, so I've just been- Yeah … a lot more kinder and accepting of, um, my feelings, I guess. Very. It's given me hope. You know? Like, as much as like the kind of darker stories give you reassurance like, "It's not just me," the happy stories give you hope that, "Oh, it could be me," you know? And I think that's the beauty of- Yeah … of other people's real stories. Like these aren't fiction. These are not like two characters in a book that, you know, found love, and you can be like, "Oh, that's great," and you close the page and you're like, "But actually that's just a book or a film or whatever." It's like made up. It's like this is real. Like this happened to real people, so it can happen to us too, you know? Yes. Yes. No, that is, that's, that's exactly like how I find so much more value in a story that's coming from a real person, and I wish that more people would be vulnerable and would share their stories because I really think that the response is- always really going to be kind because sh- being vulnerable and sharing something, whether it is something that's so happy, 'cause sometimes we don't wanna celebrate our successes or because we think people are gonna shame us for the things that are making us really happy or the things that we're really proud of. I, if, I just think that if we communicated more with each other and with the world, that we would find so much more community in- Totally … all of what exists. Yeah. It's like the, the, um, as you said, the submissions are so raw and vul- vulnerable and relatable, um, that they just insight empathy. And it's storytelling as a way that we can connect to other people and, and realize our shared humanity, essentially. Like, we live in such, like, polarized times, but essentially we're all human. Yeah. You know, we all feel, we all experience love, and all these different states, and it's something that bypasses, you know, age, race, n- you know, everything. Um, and yeah, I mean, the, the platform might be the great, like the first, um, stepping stone for anyone who wants to, like, kind of brave sharing because it's anonymous, so there's no repercussions to you. You can, you can share your story through the platform. Um, yeah, we're here for it. I think that, uh, the isolation too of COVID and lockdown brings out even more shame within us, and by sharing, we are finally, as you said, like we're just recognizing that we're not alone and that we're able to have… I always say, like, we're able to feel multiple things at once. We're able to be happy about something and also sad about something, or we're grieving but also happy that it happened or happy of, you know, what's, what's coming next, what's in the future. And, um, sometimes when others share that perspective, it allows us to s- be more open and not so black and white. Totally. It's that beautiful thing like my therapist always says, like both things can be true. It can be this and that. Yes. Yes. And I think what the stories also show is because they're a, you know, they're a snapshot, so what you're getting is a lot of like unresolved stories. Hmm. You know, there's… So in a way- It's not just… These stories are not just like neat bow happy endings, you know? Um, they're just much more conflicted, and you get the dark as well as the light, and the conflicted as well as the resolved. And there is something really reassuring in that. Um, it kind of feeds back to your last question about how did they help me. I guess, um, it- what the books also show is that, um, everything is constantly evolving. Like, your, your feelings won't stay the same, um, about something. And some of these stories in the book, um, have follow-up stories. So it, like, tracks a relationship, um, or a person- Yeah … over a couple of years. Um, and so you can see, like, uh, this story and then the update story and, um, see how that develops and plays out and, um, realize that s- you know, someone that was in a, the pit of, like, depression and feeling just completely untethered and lost comes back a year later and is like, "Oh my gosh, I can't believe how much my life has changed," you know? And there's something really beautiful in that. There's, it's so cool that you were able to, like, ha- get those and capture that as well. Um, because I, I know I was reading some and I'm like,"Oh my gosh, I hope this one comes back around." Where th- like, there was like a cliffhanger and I'm like, "No, I wanna know what happens." I know. I know. So do I. Like, everyone who submitted a story, please send an update. There are so many of them that I don't know what happened. But there are so many that did. And the, the community online loved the update stories,'cause they were like, "Oh my God, what's happened?" Like,'cause you feel- It's so- invested. Like, you feel like you knew these people Yeah … and like, oh my God, the twists and the turns. Like, oh my God. Yeah. Like, especially the next season I didn't think that was gonna happen. I know. So many people got back together as well. It was like, oh my God. Like- Now I have a little, um, I have a question that is really interesting because we are really, now that we have v- very much passed, like, lockdown at this point in 2026, um, there's been a lot of chatter about people going to AI for relationship advice. Where do you- Yeah … think… There's obviously a very clear difference because we're real people versus technology. But- Yeah… how do you think that kind would the concern be, and what do you actually think people need instead? Oh, um, I s- do you know what? Some- I was at a book club, um, like reading of my book recently, and someone said, like, "I wonder, you know, what I'd be really interested in seeing now is, like, how AI is playing out in people's love lives." And you're right, like I haven't had a story about that yet. Um, I did, you know, I had other stories of like catfishing and stuff just because, you know, online is what it is. Um, I think it's just we're going more and more into technology and further and further away from in real life connection. And- Mm you know, while the community that built up online around the project was absolutely such a lifeline in that time- What we all want is in, like, is real connection ultimately. Like, we wanna get off the app and meet the person in real life. You know, we wanna be, like, not sexting. We wanna be having sex in real life. Like, whatever it is, like, the physicality is what we need, and AI is, like, just pushing it back. Like, we're just… Yeah, you can hear my voice. I'm like, "No, no, no." I just feel like AI- … is just, like, a load of words. Like, sometimes you'll see that someone sent you an email or a text using AI, and you're like, you've-- it's literally just a string of words. But what, like, where's the action? Like, it doesn't mean anything. Um- Yeah … it's just flattening and reductive, and what we need is more, like, heart and soul. And that is one thing AI does not have. You know, I said to my therapist the other week- Yeah … like,"Are you worried about, like, being replaced by AI?" And he was like, "No, because AI doesn't have a heart, and it can never do that." And I just thought, "Yeah, that's what we really need to hold onto, basically." And hopefully, like, it will come round, you know? You'll-- they'll-- people will want the realness again. Yeah. I think it's, uh, it's very- I think it's interesting to utilize things that are, like, coming up, and utilize them in the best way, but to understand them in order to actually utilize them in a way that's helpful. And also recognize the detriment that certain things can cause as well, because there's always kind of like a positive and negative to, to everything. But I think that going to AI for relationship advice, I would definitely… I don't know if I would do it. Yeah. I sure, sure as, as hell definitely would not, um, try to have a relationship with AI, because you're right, it doesn't have a heart. And I… Some of these, a couple of people trying to utilize AI as, like, a companion is interesting. Um, and it makes me sad, because I'm like, "Just-" Yeah … "go do something and say hello." In, like, not to state the obvious, but how are you gonna have sex with AI? Like, it's not gonna be that great. It's not gonna be fun. But it's so true. It's so true. It really is. I'm, and I, dare I say too, that I think that the only reason why some people may be leaning on AI like that is, is because if I were to look back, like, a decade ago and I were to say hello to someone on the street, it was more normal, like normalized. And now, I was just on a walk this morning and I said hello to this elderly man just walking by, and, um, he w- he sounded so surprised that I even said hello. Oh, God, it's, yeah, it's really, it is sad. Like- I was like, "What do you mean? Nobody else said hello to you on this walk?" Yeah, I, it's really interesting, actually, because I remember in lockdown as well, we were so starved of those micro interactions. I can remember how, like, when we first were allowed to go out and, like, go into coffee shops again, it was like, "Hello." You know? And you realize how much-… those, like, everyday- Yeah… tiny interactions are so fundamental to your wellbeing. And so, it, you know, as we get further and further away, and there's more screens, and, like, not even a real person on the other side of the screen anymore, we are getting pushed more and more the other way. I think, you know, AI, like everything else, is great when it- is a tool that can enable access to certain things that you otherwise wouldn't have access to, like therapy. But- Absolutely… let's, you know, not- remember at the other end of that. Mm-hmm. It's like it's a, I don't know what it is, like it's an algorithm. It's a bot. I'm not sure. Um, but it's, it's, it's a tool, but I think it has to be used with a pinch of salt, very much so. Yes. Also, like what the hell is it doing to all our information? Like, what is it harvesting? Like, I don't even like… Ugh, I don't trust it. Sometimes, sometimes the, the ignorance of, um, not, of like not under- not wanting to know is lovely in this dreamy world, but it definitely is going somewhere and- I know I guess we'll see in time. Yeah. As we see these stories come to life in time. Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah. Maybe we are- And maybe they'll become. Yeah. Now, is there any w- where… There's still, there's still submissions coming in, right? Yes. What is happening with those now? Is there anything that you are, um, picturing or envisioning, um, past the collective confessions of modern love? Is there a collective confessions of modern love part two? Well, uh, yeah, I'd love that. Um, yeah, so people can and s- do still submit to the website that I built post lockdown,'cause it didn't really make much sense still collecting, you know, five years on at, at lockdown love stories. So it's it's-complicated.com. Um, my, yeah, I have loads of things that I wanna do with it because I think what, um, the material really lends itself to being translated into lots of different forms. So obviously you've got the book, um, but I also did, like, a billboard campaign where I put some of the stories across London on billboards, um, over Valentine's Day to get some realness into the world, to counteract all the kind of like, you know, couples goals and stuff. I put some of the- Yeah.… slightly more realistic love stories out there. Um- And, um, yeah. Well, do you know what? I've got some things in the pipeline, but maybe I should come back on when they've come to fruition and talk about it- Yes … more. But for now, please everyone- I would love that … send their stories in. Yes, I would love that. I, um, I think everybody should send their stories in. So it's it's-complicated.com is where you can submit an anonymous, completely anonymous story, whether it's an ex story, a relationship story, a friendship story, complicated, or maybe just something you're very proud of. Send it in. Yeah, exactly. Just something real. Something, like, what is really going on- Yes … in your love life. And maybe not the stuff that you would necessarily post about, but you can also, you know, send me that as well,'cause we love a happy story. Yeah, just maybe we- But we love juicy. We love juicy. Yeah, we love- I love juicy and I love drama. So yeah, so do I. Everybody listening, if they could take away anything from all of these thousands of stories that you've had the opportunity to read, um, and one reminder about their own worth, what would that be? Oh, you're not falling short. Like, you are not failing to measure up. Um, it's a lie, you know? It's like normally we get this idea because we go on social media, and we're comparing our real lived, nuanced, messy experience to a highlight reel essentially, like it's a curated edit. And, you know, as much as we can say that social media isn't real, it is skewering our perception, and we then judge ourselves against this skewed perception. Um, and so what the stories, um, did for me is they were the proof essentially that it wasn't real because, you know, I think as much as we can say online isn't real, until we see evidence to the contrary, w- we don't have any, you know, we, we can't fully believe it. And so I can tell you that whatever you think you're going through, you are not the only one. Um, you are not too much. You are not doing it wrong. It's just complicated. Well, thank you so much- Thank you … again for being here. It's been so wonderful. Make sure to send in all of your submissions. Um, and if there's something that you wanna say but you wanna say it anonymously without anyone knowing, but you want feedback, this is the perfect place to do it. Thank you guys so much for tuning into this weekend's episode with Philippa Found. I hope you enjoyed this conversation and all of the background, and details, and behind the scenes of how Philippa created this book and everything that it did for her and for the community, especially during lockdown and most especially right now in this moment. If you are interested in leaving an anonymous story about a situation, something that happened to you, something that's really amazing, or something that you really just wanna get out there but don't want anybody to know it's about you, make sure to go to Philippa's website. Everything is linked down below. You can u- leave your anonymous story there. Just because we are out of lockdown doesn't mean the juicy stories are behind us. I am sure that there are so many crazy… If I have the amount of crazy stories that I can think of in my, off the top of my head, I am sure that you have one to share too. So if you want to enter the confession room, AKA Philippa's website, all of those details are in the description down below. In addition to all the details on where to pick up

It's Complicated: 33:32

Collected Confessions of Messy Modern Love, because honestly, this is such a beautiful book. In and of itself, this is just such a beautiful book. I will see you guys next week, same time, 12:00 Eastern Time every single Sunday. Bye.